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Shmanka · Feb 14, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Note: You cannot "delay" something that has not been announced. You cannot push back a date that has never been discussed officially via any means.

Gaile we love how you respond to us but I believe this is the wrong thing to say, this can be interpreted in so many negative ways. When I first read this I got the impression, "The OP is right on the money like board walk in Monopoly"

We have no official information on the new release.

We have no date on the release.

The guildwars community is surprisingly frustrated about this, and this is the response we get?

Please clarify, cause I think I'm getting the wrong tone.

FoxBat · Feb 14, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Note: You cannot "delay" something that has not been announced. You cannot push back a date that has never been discussed officially via any means.

So, it IS going to be later than anticipated among the fanbase, and Gaile is just letting us know we can't scream bloody hell about it. I am with her on that... 6 month releases was never a promise, and they may have found good reason (*coughfactionscough*) to change their originally intended schedule.

tyche7 · Feb 14, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

With all the work and dedication they're putting into the project we have little room for complaints. If they want to push back a release date to give us a better, more polished product then I'm 100% behind that! I'm excited for the 4th chapter - now even more so.

The Ernada · Feb 14, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Yeah the complaints never stop. First some people complain that chapters were too rushed. Then they complain that there's not enough updates. Now it's complaints that the chapter might be late. No one can do it all you know. You complainers cant even make up your mind on what you want to complain about.

natuxatu · Feb 14, 2007, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Just because it's taking longer doesn't mean there is any extra work or more content. I mean, you can assume that, but it certainly shouldn't get the response "yay it's going to be better!" It was over a year before Factions came out and six months from that when Nightfall came out and most people find Nightfall to be better.

Anyway since it's free I'll check back once in a great while. But by the time the next chapter comes out I have a feeling I'll be over it. Still I have no hard feeling for the game I think Guild Wars is great and I feel I've by far gotten my money's worth and wish it all the best.

For me personally though I was looking forward to the six month thing that they themselves announced. So I've lost interest.

VitisVinifera · Feb 14, 2007, 11:11 PM // 23:11

Speaking for myself at least and a lot more perhaps, I don't think we are complaining that it might be delayed -- I've stated multiple times I'm all for delaying the next chapter, for 2 main reasons: the current state of the game is a mess, and rushing the Factions team to another steaming pile wouldn't be good.
What concerns me is we have Alex, etc, stating they are on a 6 month cycle, then Gaile saying there is no announcement (maybe Alex and Gaile should have a little chat), and this is leaving the rest of us in the dark. Gaile's JOB is to come forward with these pieces of information, and right now the impression I get is that she's being muzzled by the devs and not able to do her job. Which both denigrates her position and the value of us as customers.

Feminist Terrorist · Feb 14, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

*applauds*
Well said Vitis.

I'm all for having a longer development cycle, myself, but that's not the point here. The point is that we, the players, are asking for a clarification, and we're not getting one. It's a simple question: is the next expansion/update/whatever going to be released at the end of April or not?

The Ernada · Feb 14, 2007, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

Which both denigrates her position and the value of us as customers.

"Denigrates the value of us as customers?" Breathe. Sit back. Relax. You're taking this too seriously. When they're ready to announce release dates then they will. Is it really that urgent? Is there nothing else in life to look forward to? Besides, we're only 4 months after the last release. Have some patience for crying out loud, especially you Vitis. You always seem to be one of the first to complain on these boards.

Pandora's box · Feb 14, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

I think its a risky strategy. With 1 game each 6 months they can afford a less succesfull chapter. With 1 game each 9 month they can't afford that anymore. Every new update needs to be succesful than.

Another thing is the surviving of guilds. Lots of guilds want active players. Inactive players often get banned after a while. But with a low frequency of new chapters the amount of inactive players will grow rapidly. Only big guilds can survive this way.

For me personally the whole story is no suprise since we already heard this some months ago in this forum. Delaying 1 chapter should not be a problem. Not with already 3 chapters out. Yet next chapters should be in the old 6 months frequency again. Otherwise players might turn to other games definatevely...

Lord Palidore · Feb 15, 2007, 02:51 AM // 02:51

I'm very pleased to hear this. Now Anet can work on developing a more full, better quality game.

Arangja · Feb 19, 2007, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

I think its a risky strategy. With 1 game each 6 months they can afford a less succesfull chapter. With 1 game each 9 month they can't afford that anymore. Every new update needs to be succesful than.

Another thing is the surviving of guilds. Lots of guilds want active players. Inactive players often get banned after a while. But with a low frequency of new chapters the amount of inactive players will grow rapidly. Only big guilds can survive this way.

For me personally the whole story is no suprise since we already heard this some months ago in this forum. Delaying 1 chapter should not be a problem. Not with already 3 chapters out. Yet next chapters should be in the old 6 months frequency again. Otherwise players might turn to other games definatevely...

I just have a couple of questions and Pandora this is not directed at you, I'm just using your message as a kickoff.

How many characters have you all got that are pushing so much for this 6 month release dates, have all these characters completed all the chapters?? Have all these characters got all the titles?? I think through these questions you will be able to see that there are a heck of a lot more to do in these games than just rush through it to get to the end. Also I would say guildwise, guilds tend to disban when ppl get bored, so why not organize fun or interesting stuff as a guild, anything can be done to keep ppl's interests and when members feel that the leader and officers are looking out for their best interests then they will stay.

Personally for me I will wait till the next chapter comes out and I am sure that when it comes out I will still have stuff to do in all three other chapters, even if it is to help, new member or old members, whith whatever they need in the other chapters. That way you can move into the next chapter as a guild and explore it together.

Well thats just my 2 cents, as far as I am concerned ANet has done a good job so far, and I am happy for the service I have paid for.

Mightywayne · Feb 21, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

You know, I'd rather GW just actually changed its style of combat a bit. Well. A lot.

I left GW for WoW about a month ago... I was tired of exploring things for no reason, saving up money for armor that did nothing, and frankly, my last moment on it was going into a semi-noob mission and getting spiked by a searing flames boss and I just said goodbye to my guild, and ex'd out.

I know saying WoW on this forum is like setting a haystack on fire, and I used to be the same way too. GW will always have a special place in my heart, and the PVP will always be the best I've experienced.

If this chapter changes the gameplay from "pointless money grinding" to actually building a character and watching him/her grow, I'll preorder the thing the first day possible. I just want a rewarding experience from chapter 4. Chapter 3 had heroes which sorta I guess is like making your own character better (and rewarding, y'see?) but I mean still we're limited in some aspects.

So I don't care how long it takes ANet to do another campaign, as long as it's rewarding... and I would like a storyline with romance but let's not get excited.

WinterSnowblind · Feb 21, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Mightywayne

You know, I'd rather GW just actually changed its style of combat a bit. Well. A lot.

I left GW for WoW about a month ago... I was tired of exploring things for no reason, saving up money for armor that did nothing, and frankly, my last moment on it was going into a semi-noob mission and getting spiked by a searing flames boss and I just said goodbye to my guild, and ex'd out.

I know saying WoW on this forum is like setting a haystack on fire, and I used to be the same way too. GW will always have a special place in my heart, and the PVP will always be the best I've experienced.

If this chapter changes the gameplay from "pointless money grinding" to actually building a character and watching him/her grow, I'll preorder the thing the first day possible. I just want a rewarding experience from chapter 4. Chapter 3 had heroes which sorta I guess is like making your own character better (and rewarding, y'see?) but I mean still we're limited in some aspects.

So I don't care how long it takes ANet to do another campaign, as long as it's rewarding... and I would like a storyline with romance but let's not get excited.

The whole point of Guild Wars is the balanced. I enjoy Guild Wars more than any other MMO because it doesn't require me to put hours into grinding my character up or saving up for ridiculously priced armour just so I can be as good as everyone else already playing.

I do understand what you mean, but if there was armour that was a lot stronger than normal then everyone would need to go out and buy it, even if they don't want to, just so they can match everyone else.

As it is, if you want to pay 75+k for a set of cool looking armour you can, and you'll look better than those who only spent 10k, you've earned something for that but at the same time those who only spent 10k for theres because they don't have the time to play the game so much don't have to worry about being outmatched by everyone else.

If you don't like this system, then stick with WoW. Changing Guild Wars to make it more like every other MMO out there would not be a good thing.

Captain Sarcastic · Feb 21, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Feminist Terrorist

The point is that we, the players, are asking for a clarification, and we're not getting one. It's a simple question: is the next expansion/update/whatever going to be released at the end of April or not?

This is prolly my main source of annoyance with GW right now.

It's a little more than two months til the scheduled release date (Based on the six month schedule and comments made that things are "on schedule"). There has been no word from A-net other than a vague "soon". Nothing on preorders, pre-release stuff -- hell, we don't even know what the name, or theme is.

You know, basic stuff.

With every other chapter, we've typically has some type of news this close to release. The buzz machine has had nothing but rumors to go on, and the rumors are getting pretty old.

zwei2stein · Feb 21, 2007, 04:35 PM // 16:35

I say, NF and F proved that devs can create good stuff, they just need extra time. I rather give em time and have one perfect expansion than not give em enough time and have two lackluster ones.

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

Vista is really that bad?

Its even worse. evils name is DRM followed closely by insecurity.

seriously, anyone thinking that DX10 will make this game prettier is wrong ... whether game is pretty or not is entirelly in hands artists. because you get extra super cool type of reflection or shaddow means nothing (and graphix!!! hunt worst thing that happened to games industry).

artist >> engine

hell, even

bad artist >> engine

I mean, look at screenies with DX8 and DX9+Shaders version of GW, i can never find meaningfull differences.

Besides, anet should want game to be not recourse hog so that people who actually use PC for work and not for performance epeen can run GW and enjoy it.

Mightywayne · Feb 21, 2007, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

If you don't like this system, then stick with WoW.

Don't... say that. That's just not good etiquette. That's like criticizing the president and then someone says to you, "Yeah, well why don't YOU become president?!"

I don't mind the system. But there's points of insanity. Wayne has killed Shiro, the Lich, and saved Elona from utter destruction. And then he goes into PVP and gets killed by a PVP character that is basically better than an RP character instantly. They can change their weapons to fit them at will, and things like superior rune of vigor cost like 6k faction to build up to.

I like the "balance" idea, but I find it falls victim to what many RPGs do, and that's like... how you can have, say, 8 domination mesmers on one team, versus the other team, and without specialized team formation from the other team, the domination mesmers will destroy. All it requires is team work, and some skill. It's too bad that RP characters aren't really able to shine, and I'd like to see that change in Ch4.

Edit: Oh, uhm. Yes, Zwei is correct. The game only looks as good as the artists will make it. DX from my experience is mostly used as performance enhancing, rather than making lots of things look prettier and stuff.

Ferret · Feb 21, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

If you go to the GAME website, it says that you can preorder GW Chpt 4 in 44 days time (suggesting it will be available in April), but if you go to PLAY.COM, it says it is due for release in Sept 2007.

A bit of difference with the actual retailer view on it too it would seem.

Personally, i'd rather it was September myself and give me time to get all my characters through Elona and to get all those side quests done. A new Chpt every six months is a bit too frequent IMO.

thelegendozelda · Feb 21, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I hate to say it......but if GW:4 doesn't come out until July onward. I'll loose interest and find another game. If only they would give us the name, a screenshot something to grasp onto.

cthulhu reborn · Feb 21, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

I am actually relieved to find out it will take longer...yes I am curious about chapter 4 but now it's taking a few months longer than last time I fell like I can breathe again....I have 12 characters..I know I know, my own choice. But most have finished Elona and now I feel I get the time to do the less priority stuf...just explore a bit do a couple of quests...bum around if you will, but enjoying it....

still curious though ;-)

BryanM · Feb 21, 2007, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

Gaile's JOB is to come forward with these pieces of information, and right now the impression I get is that she's being muzzled by the devs and not able to do her job.

To be honest I've been wondering if she only knows what sekrits they want to pass on. Not knowing the answer is okay and all - it's so that she'd be unable to accidentally spill the beans, so to speak. Is this how the beans are kept under the lid, Ms. Gray?

Just curious.

If the hype machine doesn't gear up next week or the one after that, we can pretty much toss out the idea of an April release.

The challenge mission ladder has given my guild something to reach for in the mean time, at least.